FXUS65 KTWC 281653 AFDTWC Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Tucson AZ 953 AM MST Wed Dec 28 2016 .SYNOPSIS...Expect dry weather and mild temperatures again today with the potential for showers and mountain snow showers starting late Thursday and continuing through the New Year's Day holiday weekend. && .DISCUSSION...A fairly thick veil of high clouds stretches across much of SE AZ and stretches upwind into the Pacific. The clouds are not as thick in Cochise Co. as per satellite imagery, but made appropriate changes to sky cover today and tonight. Also lowered high temperatures a few degrees due to cloud thickness. First look at 12z models shows NAM still most emphatic developing rain Thursday, mainly east of Tucson. This is in fair agreement with 00z ECMWF. 12z GFS backed off on all precip in AZ and NM through Thursday night. Based on how much better the NAM performed with the initial moisture push with the system during the middle of last week, will hold firm with precip chances Thursday and may even raise chances east of Tucson. Will discuss the rest of the forecast period later after more data becomes available. && .AVIATION...Valid through 29/18Z. BKN to occasionally OVC clouds AOA 20k ft AGL thru the forecast period, except less sky cover vcnty KDUG today. SFC wind will generally remain less than 12 kts. Aviation discussion not updated for TAF amendments. && .FIRE WEATHER...Dry conditions are expected through tonight with above normal temperatures persisting through Friday. Unsettled weather returns late this week into this weekend with a chance of rain and snow showers Thursday through Sunday. Some gusty 20-ft winds may occur this weekend, with speeds mainly less than 15 mph otherwise. && .PREV DISCUSSION...Water vapor imagery continues to show a large ridge centered over the southwest Gulf of Mexico, with weak ridging to zonal flow across most of the southern tier of the nation. Meanwhile, the closed low continues to spin well offshore, west of the Baja Spur. Ahead of this low, plenty of mid and high level moisture can be seen streaming northward across much of the eastern Pacific waters, the Baja peninsula, northwest Mexico and into portions of the Desert Southwest. IR imagery shows this swath of extensive cloudiness spreading north and east and generally covering the southern third of Arizona. These clouds are mostly high cirrus clouds, so will see a mix of sun and clouds from time to time today as cirrus at times will be thick enough to obscure the sun, but mostly sunny to partly cloudy to the north and partly to mostly cloudy to the south. Models continue to indicate that the eastern Pacific upper low will continue to retrograde through early Thursday before beginning to move northeast toward the southern California coast by early Friday. Models eventually show the low evolving into just an open wave as it moves across southern California, Arizona and into New Mexico late Friday through late Saturday. Meanwhile, a secondary system right on the heels of the first one, dives southeast from California and sweeps through the Desert Southwest late Saturday through Sunday. The GFS solution has the system farther north than the ECMWF, which has it move over northern Sonora. As a result of this difference in timing and position, the GFS is keeping the bulk of the associated moisture to our north, while the ECMWF has it generally over much of the state. At this time yesterday I thought the models were finally converging on a similar outcome for the later part of the week and into the weekend. However, when I was looking at the 27/00Z MOS PoP numbers from the GFS it was advertising PoPs for Tucson in the 50 to 60% range for Saturday night into Sunday. The 27/12Z run trimmed those values down to the 10 to 30 percent range and the latest 28/00Z run has only single digit PoPs for Tucson through the next seven days. On the other hand the ECMWF has maintained a wet scenario, with PoPs still in the likely to categorical range from Friday night through Sunday. Given this disagreement between the models, as well as a lack of run-to-run consistency, at least from the GFS, I will just 'stand pat' with the PoP forecast that I inherited, which looks eerily similar to what I used yesterday at this time. The bottom line is that this means with very low confidence in this situation will show slight chances creeping in from the southeast late Thursday and then spreading farther west toward the Tucson area by the overnight and early morning hours Thursday into Friday, with just slight chances for central zones and chance category toward New Mexico and including the mountain tops. I still show scattered type PoPs across the board for Saturday into Sunday. With models all showing some flavor of trough and thus disturbed weather during this period, think having at least slight chance to chance PoPs in the forecast is the way to go. Subsequent shifts can fine tune the forecast as the system gets closer in both space and time. For Tucson, high temperatures will range from 8 to 10 degs above normal today through Friday, then near normal Saturday. Highs 4 to 6 degs below normal Sunday, then near normal for early next week. Low temps will range from 9 to 12 degs above normal Thursday through Saturday mornings, then about 3 to 5 degs above normal Sunday and only slightly above normal for early next week. && .TWC WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...None. && $$ DROZD Visit us on Facebook...Twitter...YouTube...and at weather.gov/Tucson